Ep.1: What’s This All About, Katrina | Beyond The Damage of Words podcast

 

 

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00:00.60
Katrina Collier
Hello and welcome to Beyond The Damage of Words Podcast as this is the very very first episode. I’m actually turning tables; so I’m Katrina Collier and I shall be hosting the episodes but rather than host this time I’m actually going to be the guest and I’m passing over the mantra to my gorgeous friend Clair Bush I couldn’t think of anyone else. To do this. So thank you so much for joining me to do this so you get to ask all the questions. Ah oh a very good place to start? Oh just play.

00:19.80
Clair Bush
Absolute pleasure. Absolute pleasure I do shall we start at the very beginning I think so too I.

00:35.40
Katrina Collier
But earworm. Ah.

00:38.15
Clair Bush
Ah, so obviously we’ve known each other for a while now and I’ve known about The Damage of Words for a long time. Um, but I want I want to kind of take you back to the beginning and when when did you really start to really accept.

00:40.55
Katrina Collier
Yes. Mean. Yeah.

00:56.93
Clair Bush
That this is your story that the abuse that you’d suffered was there and actually it was the right time to address it.

01:00.74
Katrina Collier

Um, yeah, oh this is what I asked my guest and it’s funny because you get lots of different moments that I genuinely genuinely fell. To help a bit like I fell into the recruitment industry. It was I I was at a crossroads. Um, something had happened. Of course you know the universe had given me a kick I can see that now and I didn’t know what I wanted to do with my life and as it was. Richard my ex-husband had introduced me to a brilliantant woman called Bridget Hunt about my nutrition and she said we were just passing comments. She went you need to go and talk to Michelle Alley and that flippant remark and that quick introduction changed my life I believe Michelle Alley is the only person that had could have got through the defenses I had up.

01:48.14
Clair Bush
Um.

01:52.86
Katrina Collier
Because they were thick. They started getting laid on at age 3 Um, and but I didn’t know I was going in so it’s sort of like I think if I’d known that I was taking the step the one that I want to use this podcast to encourage everybody to take I think no I’ve been taking that I might not have taken it. But now I kind of got out the other side of my please take the step please please The first one is the hardest to do it. It’s like you’ll see um but it took a very very long time to accept the word abuse and it is interesting writing my memoir because there are people who will tell me that it wasn’t abuse.

02:10.89
Clair Bush
Yep.

02:15.61
Clair Bush
Um, yeah.

02:30.54
Katrina Collier
Because my mother is a brilliant actress as anyone who has a narcissistic person in their life be a parent or whatever knows that their ability to gaslight so to make you feel like you don’t you know what’s happening is all your fault Stroke not true. Um, but also the the masks that they put on in the pretense.

02:45.70
Clair Bush
Um.

02:49.57
Katrina Collier
That she would have everybody believing that she was an angel. Um, so it’s it is tough and it’s taken a while to get to that point. So but I got there and I’m glad because I’m writing it.

03:01.96
Clair Bush
No, that is phenomenal thing as well I think the the courage that you’ve you’ve shown and that you keep displaying to revisit this question and not just revisit for yourself, but actually to really create a ah clear pathway for others.

03:09.32
Katrina Collier
And yeah.

03:19.23
Clair Bush
To sort of step on. Yeah.

03:20.66
Katrina Collier
Ah, am totally doing it for Fathers I really am um one is sort of a strange one is when I speak when I’m on stage I have all of these little young people looking at that sounds very patronizing but young people looking at me all doeeyed like oh. Wow look at her and there are often girls that are doing it. You know, young women and I’m like I used to feel like you feel I used to feel like I couldn’t do this and I was full of asher self-loathing not that long ago. My teens My 20 s my thirty s I only fell into healing in my 40 s.

03:47.51
Clair Bush
Um, yeah, yeah.

03:55.81
Katrina Collier
And here I am now at 52 and it’s like I was that person like I was genuinely terrified of all of that and it’s like I just feel like I have to encourage people to find that self-love care and compassion because the world changes as you know it changes so hugely when you find that they actually you kind of like I can do anything.

04:10.92
Clair Bush
Yeah, yeah.

04:14.78
Katrina Collier
Within reason I’m never going to be a brain surgeon but it’s that that feeling so there’s that and then the the frustration I feel that you know someone I know who’s a physio that talks people out a chiropractor and I think how dare she like don’t let anyone talk you out of whatever treatment helps you just find your thing. It’s your body and your life. And then just I want to demystify just demystify all of the very strange healing modalities that I have used that have provided me great help and great release and great clearing. And yeah, so it’s it’s sort of threefold. But.

04:47.38
Clair Bush
Yeah, that’s phenomenal and again really giving because you are giving you. You’re a beautiful giving person that connection to anybody that knows you as well as I do they’ll immediately go.

04:49.17
Katrina Collier
I think it I Just what I want I want others to feel the way I feel which is.

04:59.40
Katrina Collier
Ah, m.

05:06.13
Clair Bush
You You not just are a friend but you embody the spirit and the soul of your friends and you kind of you. Do you? You really support in a such a level. Oh bless you? um ah um, talked about that journey a little bit.

05:10.15
Katrina Collier
Um, oh you make me Cry. That’s okay, but but I it’s because I wasn’t like that. And that’s why I get emotional and I wasn’t like that in my twenty s and my thirty s I was so lost and I was so full of self-hatred and actually interestingly for so for other podcasts that will follow this I talk about this like how horrible and Judgmental I was of other people because I was repeating her trauma I was reliving it over and over and I was that person.

05:24.95
Clair Bush
Yeah.

05:41.83
Clair Bush
So yeah.

05:44.34
Katrina Collier
And now so when you say what you say it means so much because of how far I’ve come and it it same? yeah.

05:47.72
Clair Bush
And I think even if I look back over the last ten years of knowing you I’ve seen that transformation from an initial spiky who you you know, kind of chance meeting to then actually knowing you as well as I do now but in terms of that journey just I want to go back and.

05:57.21
Katrina Collier
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah.

06:07.20
Clair Bush
Sort of try and align it a little bit more to you talk about your twenty s thirty s forty s in this journey I know has been really recent in terms of the expiration and the route to healing but where do you think you needed to have been do you need to did you need to be in your 40 s to.

06:18.69
katrinamcollier
Ah, yeah.

06:27.19
Clair Bush
Find healing or could you have started this anytime along that path.

06:32.83
katrinamcollier
I I I sometimes wish I had started at 20 Um, however, and then there will be people listening who this will really resonate with I know people started the journey in their sixty s it doesn’t matter it happens when that time is right? We have.

06:44.50
Clair Bush
Um.

06:49.40
katrinamcollier
As a generation so much what I call generational trauma that we have the opportunity to heal. Never before have there been so many different heating healing modalities that we now have access to we owe it to ourselves not to pass it on and it doesn’t matter when it happens. So for me, it happened to be 40

07:02.22
Clair Bush
Um, yeah.

07:08.87
katrinamcollier
Um, I know again I know others started in their forty s fifty S sixty s others might start in their eighty s it doesn’t matter. It’s just when you kind of just got I don’t want to feel like this anymore and you don’t have to um I yeah I Genuinely do sometimes wish it was in my twenty s but I wouldn’t have been open to it and I wouldn’t have done the work.

07:16.14
Clair Bush
Guess.

07:28.45
katrinamcollier
Um, so there is that when you start realizing that you’re playing this pattern in your head you have to become consciously aware of it so you need to sometimes actually stop yourself to actively go. Why are you thinking that like stop but I’m going to start thinking about my dog who’s adorable. You know, like switch your train.

07:37.26
Clair Bush
Um.

07:45.15
Clair Bush
Yeah, it’s some mental couldn’t yeah that mental agility to like you say kind of put pause on the runaway train that’s going on up here and just yeah have an outbody moment I think I agree with you as well I mean.

07:47.50
katrinamcollier
And I don’t think I could have done that at that time but that doesn’t mean someone listening It was me like yeah. Yeah, step back? Yeah, yeah, step back.

08:04.50
Clair Bush
Yeah, there’s definite carriage of shit that we all take with us daily. Um, and I’m just wondering as well. Like we talk about the tools who talk about modalities of healing What what was the.

08:11.33
katrinamcollier
Yeah, um.

08:19.10
katrinamcollier
Um, yeah.

08:21.80
Clair Bush
Talk us through that first sort of recognition of or even opening the box of healing tools there talk us through that tell us how that all started for you and what did involve.

08:29.67
katrinamcollier
Yeah, oh my gosh. Ah I mean it genuinely started so I went to Michelle’s eey I can honest I can remember this so clearly sitting off set her and she’s glaring me down with her witchy eyes. Um I now know that we. Genuinely I now know that we actually know each other from a past life where we were which is so it’s not surprising I was getting that vibe and she I was prattling away about I don’t know what and I was talking about taking my labrador through Blackheath Village and how irritated I feel when people won’t walk around me by the way I still feel irritated when people won’t walk around me when I have my dog.

08:45.56
Clair Bush
Ah.

09:03.99
katrinamcollier
But that’s beside the point and she just said care. But I’m just going to stop you there. Let’s just go back to that and she literally just started peeling layers off the onion. There is this thing. Um and we talked about it before we came on that that people think that you rip the lid off. It’s Pandora’s box none of us would heal if that happened it is layers off an onion now I have trauma. Some people have neglect others just have something is holding them back. But none of us can really face it with a because we’ve layered it and we’ve covered it and we’ve masked it and we’ve got to get to it. So.

09:28.46
Clair Bush
Um, know.

09:38.98
Clair Bush
Yeah.

09:41.62
katrinamcollier
She just started appealing all the layers of um, we did something that I wish more people would do. We did a lot of in a child work like just before when I felt emotional. It was like oh there’s my in a child. She’s feeling really emotional. So I put my hand here and I soothed her and it’s like you know learning that connection between.

09:51.48
Clair Bush
Loved yeah.

10:00.87
katrinamcollier
Functional adult is talking now and the inner child when they feel scared and you know the big sign a lot of people walking around is inner teenagers constantly numbing with alcohol and drugs and slamming doors and you know misbehaving all the time because they’re in a child scared function adults vacated you know so that was a huge part. Um and she just.

10:11.53
Clair Bush
Um.

10:20.58
katrinamcollier
Started We started and then I got to say all the staff I didn’t get to say as a child in every session. So I got to call in my mom or my dad or whoever it was required and vent and just get it all off my chest and release the energy and I call it releasing energy because because I grew up.

10:26.60
Clair Bush
Ah.

10:32.92
Clair Bush
Um, yeah.

10:38.93
katrinamcollier
In childhood trauma I have become an empath so I was born as a highly sensitive person. So I feel everything at a completely higher level like 1 in 5 to 6 people is a highly sensitive person. But then I became an empath which means you and kind of embody you learn to read the energy and the feeling to find out if you’re safe or not.

10:50.26
Clair Bush
Um, yeah.

10:57.51
Clair Bush
Um, yeah.

10:58.44
katrinamcollier
So I had embodied a lot of it so it was actually letting it go and because every time you let it go, You’d leave the session I’d almost feel like I was floating like out of the session. This was back when everything was in person and I just flowed out So then it becomes like.

11:06.26
Clair Bush
Yeah, yeah.

11:13.00
Clair Bush
Um.

11:14.70
katrinamcollier
Why didn’t I open like why didn’t I start peeling the layers to get to Pandora’s box faster like I want to heal I want to it’s it’s quite addictive. Once you start in a really good way that sounded bad didn’t it. Ah.

11:17.25
Clair Bush
Yeah.

11:24.77
Clair Bush
Yeah, and then no not at all no and it isn’t you know and and again having done quite a lot of the work as well myself I know and understand that that addiction is you know for anybody who’s ah, an exercise adrenaline junkie this.

11:30.54
katrinamcollier
Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah.

11:41.53
Clair Bush
Is for the mind the same type of endorphin release because I mean you are actually learning to love yourself So you do need that endorphin Relief Relief Release relief as well at that same time. Yeah.

11:48.59
katrinamcollier
Yeah, release relief and release it’s funny because when I didn’t like who I was as a human being I used to go and actually maybe when you first met me I probably still wasn’t quite there. But I would go to an event and I would expect to be disliked and therefore I would be disliked so it could be a party or whatever and I would just expect that people would like to dislike me I would try too hard and I’d be unlikable, but the opposite doesn’t happen so you don’t become full of self-love and then walk around going look at me. Um, so fabulous. You know it minds you I am sporting a gorgeous pink top. Um, but I’m feeling fabulous today but you don’t what you do is you just go in with no your agenda you go in with no thinking about it. You just think well if they don’t like me they don’t like me and that’s the actually ah the the energy. So it’s it’s less about.

12:26.14
Clair Bush
You are very fabulous looking today.

12:39.11
Clair Bush
Um, yeah.

12:43.10
katrinamcollier
Oh God you know they’re all going to love me but more about I Love who I am and if they like me that’s great and if they don’t That’s their choice I am vegamite at the end of the day That’s probably not going to change I’m very opinionated. Ah.

12:53.41
Clair Bush
But that that isn’t that isn’t on anybody else and it’s not even on you. It’s It’s just the way you are as an individual and we should celebrate all of our individual traits and and you know what’s and all I kind of think that you know that might be a saying that’s.

12:57.85
katrinamcollier
No, no yeah and that exactly yeah and.

13:13.28
Clair Bush
Again, it’s words doesn’t it but at the same time actually that acceptance of good and a bit nobbly kind of it. It works.

13:16.28
katrinamcollier
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and actually it’s it’s Interesting. You point the words out with that because one of the things is when you’re full of Self-love You, don’t care I don’t care what gender someone is what color they are anything I care about their behavior towards me. They’re horrible towards me sure. But I think we’ve forgotten how important words are and you know we grew up in the generation where sticks and stones won’t sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me which has actually prompted the beginning of the book because what a lie to grow up and now you have people online trolling people and they’re killing.

13:39.60
Clair Bush
Um.

13:45.92
Clair Bush
Yeah.

13:53.17
Clair Bush
Yeah, yeah.

13:54.17
katrinamcollier
And people they’re killing people with their words and it’s like we must understand that. But when you have self- loveve you wouldn’t dream of doing that you know we’ve all written an angry post. But I’ve not published so many because I might well hang on. You’re just a bit annoyed by that I really does that just delete it move on because I’ve got that self-worth and that Self-love so.

13:59.87
Clair Bush
Now.

14:11.65
Clair Bush
Yeah, and that knowledge. Oh no I think yeah I mean again this this whole sort of the podcast the book All of these layers are ah creating those sort of stepstones for people to really kind of.

14:13.93
katrinamcollier
I Hope to inspire so many people to get to that point. So lovely.

14:25.71
katrinamcollier
Ah, ah.

14:28.71
katrinamcollier
Yeah, yeah.

14:29.19
Clair Bush
Jump on and and um work on that program. So I know that we’ve talked about this as well. In the past I love love listening to you and and hearing your knowledge and insight into all of the space of what I call wou which isn’t woo at all. it’s it’s yeah but talk is through Claire.

14:41.84
katrinamcollier
Love Love a bit of way. It’s not at all.

14:49.36
Clair Bush
Sentient and Claire cognizance and clare audience and all the other clairs. Besides obviously my lovely self.

14:54.25
katrinamcollier
Yeah, obviously we declare about Claire um I find it interesting that your name is claire and like my middle name is Michelle so I think it’s interesting Claire Claire

15:00.40
Clair Bush
Yeah, ah told you I’d make this about me.

15:09.12
katrinamcollier
And you’re very spiritual as well and then my middle name is Michelle Archangeel Michael it’s like yeah, um, so that’s really bizarre I actually just said my middle name out loud. So few people know it I just so rarely tell people that’s kind of funny now the whole world a whole wellness I don’t use it for any of my passwords. Um.

15:20.30
Clair Bush
You know you you do realize you’re gonna have to go and change all your passwords and everything. Um.

15:27.80
Clair Bush
Ah.

15:28.44
katrinamcollier
Strangely um, so we are all born with our Claire. So our clairvoyance Claire sentence whichever one it is. They’re all open but what usually happens is children is when we start saying things that are a bit obscure. We get shut down. So we’re not believed um or were dismissed or whatever. So very few people actually go through their whole life going. Oh I’m claivoyant I see images or I’m this that Miller so Cla centent is about feeling so it’s different empathy. So I could with as an empath I could feel so actually I do this a lot with my mate Steve usher.

15:46.57
Clair Bush
Ah.

16:00.56
Clair Bush
Dep.

16:05.90
katrinamcollier
Um I can feel in his body. What’s going on like I can go whoa. What’s going on here but I can’t necessarily say what’s behind it Someone who’s cla sentient would know so I can’t do that. But I’m clare cognizance I have this innate knowing super annoying. Just ask my ex-husband like.

16:13.56
Clair Bush
Yeah.

16:22.61
katrinamcollier
Time that I knew he was going to have a car accident and he went and had a car accident and then got no sympathy. He was fine by the way I just hastened to but it was like I told you that was going to happen. Um because he’s very logical but now he’s got 23 years of evidence that when I know something I know something and it’s a very super annoying trait. But the other one that really has come back. So I imagine I had it and then it’s come back is my clai audience now you um experience this first hand so when you’re clear audience you can hear past souls um I can hear guides I can hear angels I have to tune in and do it but we were.

16:48.58
Clair Bush
Um.

17:00.96
Clair Bush
My dinner Louise’s birthday yeah

17:01.40
katrinamcollier
And where were we where were we was it Louisa’s birthday we were having lunch that was like and all I was getting was tell play this tell her tell her and I was like okay okay, okay, like and I was passing on and that actually that piece of information which will stay highly confidential was actually life changing and you came back to me later and she says. Yeah, and you said I did what you said I didn’t know where that was coming from and that’s when you first realize your Claire audience is a bit like what the hell and the very first experience I had of realizing I was hearing past souls was with my beautiful friend Mark Manstor

17:20.36
Clair Bush
Get.

17:38.29
katrinamcollier
And we were in Australia and I I only just met him so I didn’t know his backstory and we were extremely drunk which I do not recommend that anybody ever passes on messages if they have the gift when they’re drunk because they can be quite devastating but anyway thankfully and i. I didn’t know his sister had passed I didn’t know any of this I was just telling him what I was hearing and again life changing so it was me starting to realize? Ah, okay, so you have this interesting gif but the other thing that’s fascinating when you start getting into this is a lot of people are given labels.

18:03.71
Clair Bush
Um.

18:12.16
Clair Bush
Yes.

18:14.41
katrinamcollier
So They told their Adhd I have another friend who was told they’re autistic and she got talking to me I went No, you’re clear audience and she went huh and so we have an incredible rich in a dialogue to the point like a conversation will go back and forth. For example I have this really silly habit of making my lunch between the fridge and the stove I have so much bench space and for some reason I make my lunch there and I was cutting the head off a radish and it flew behind the fridge and the dialogue went along the lines if you know you shouldn’t make your lunch there and I’m like yeah no I know now I have to go and get that radish. Yep, that was really dumb was so it edits this. Most people don’t do that. Most people don’t have that kind of a dialogue. It’s just.

18:51.91
Clair Bush
Or maybe maybe most people can’t recognize that that ah tune voice because they let you say you just have been told to not listen to it or to not hear or to not acknowledge it even because that would be weird wouldn’t it.

19:01.40
katrinamcollier
Yeah, not listen to it ah few things up. Well you can freak people out. Yeah, but you can freak people out, it’s it’s.

19:11.71
Clair Bush
Yeah, but as a child I suppose Yeah I kind of.

19:16.19
katrinamcollier
It’s very very very common. So another friend of mine his um 2 daughters who are really really young. His wife is clavoyant and his 2 daughters and he’s actually his gift has opened since he’s been there but there was a spirit in their room and and as a baby used to like stare and and then his wife would go. Yeah, yeah, there’s a spirit in the room and it’s.

19:25.53
Clair Bush
Yeah.

19:36.18
katrinamcollier
It’s actually really common. It’s just the people doing talk about it. Um, because we were all born with it. But the um ah forgot what I was going to say about the past souls It was oh so what? I’ve written in the book is the evidence. So all the time I want people to understand So I’ve had a lot of past life work.

19:37.77
Clair Bush
Yeah.

19:47.94
Clair Bush
Listen.

19:55.37
katrinamcollier
Um, there is evidence that someone has studied 3000 children who have perfectly recalled their last past life to the point they might have a deformity of a limb for example or they might have a birth mark that that particular person who’s on a completely different part of the planet also had.

20:11.22
Clair Bush
Wow.

20:13.26
katrinamcollier
And it’s the recall and the accuracy and it’s like so once I started doing this work and just started accepting and started opening again. Life just so much easier but is it for everybody to understand possibly not some people just will want to logic it away because they just can’t They’re not ready and I’ve just learnt to accept that.

20:31.14
Clair Bush
Let’s talk about that. Let’s talk about the logic piece because I think in this very busy world that we are in and the transformation over the last couple of years of how your work life and your life.

20:33.57
katrinamcollier
Um.

20:38.87
katrinamcollier
New.

20:46.86
katrinamcollier
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

20:48.28
Clair Bush
Basically has evolved where does this sit within your world right now where where is this open mindedness This ability to see here feel on another dimension. That’s bigger than most people can even comprehend.

20:53.42
katrinamcollier
A.

21:02.69
katrinamcollier
Um, yeah.

21:06.73
Clair Bush
But yet you’re having normal day-to-day conversations with people supporting them in their day-to-day problems challenges and everything else where does it fit.

21:12.81
katrinamcollier
Yeah, oh I think it’s um, so what’s really interesting about that. There’s a few different answers to that one is that schooling and and further education and work cuts us off from our gut.

21:29.80
Clair Bush
Yeah.

21:29.86
katrinamcollier
And our heart and it has been proven and again this is all in the book I’m trying to put the science in that the vagus nerve runs up so our brain up here gets stuff from the gut and the heart and it gets that lot like that intuition and that like what’s your what makes your light up.

21:43.83
Clair Bush
Yep.

21:46.30
katrinamcollier
It gets that information first. But we’ve been taught to shut it down look how miserable people are look how many people that aren’t doing the thing that makes them sit up and buzz because of that so I’ve learned and this was thanks to Laura Borland actually she said what makes you sit up and buzz only ever say yes to anything that’s like.

21:54.65
Clair Bush
Yeah.

22:05.45
katrinamcollier
Um, my God I want to do that if it’s a just like if you just slump the answers. No and that was really helping me with that that intuition plus I’ve learned if I ignore my intuition. Yeah I’ve learned I know what it sounds like don’t do that Katrina Idiot don’t do it and I mean that in the kind way of calling yourself an idiot not in harsh.

22:11.70
Clair Bush
Um, yeah, woe betide.

22:25.10
katrinamcollier
Anyway, so there’s sort of that side and then when it comes to my work So I run a lot of design thinking facilitation for example or when I speak I can feel the energy so that is a gift from my trauma is that I can literally read the energy in the room and therefore I know where to put my my energy.

22:35.50
Clair Bush
Um, ah.

22:42.92
katrinamcollier
To make them have a great experience or potentially to stop them impacting others. Um you can actually play with the energy so that their negativity doesn’t bother others see that it’s a success. Um I don’t necessarily know I’m doing it. That’s what the choice bit is but I think from a day to day. It’s like.

22:43.45
Clair Bush
Yeah.

22:57.53
Clair Bush
Um, yeah.

23:01.12
katrinamcollier
I’m not going to do it if I’m not sitting up buzzing if someone approaches me about work and I go I showed this this morning someone approached me and asked me to do something I don’t want to do that and I flung it over to people I know who loved doing that I was like um, no I Ti that years ago I’m not doing that anymore and it was you know so it’s am I going to sit up am I going to Buzz. Yes. And I think the funny thing is as well and again this is all in the book I’ve written so much stuff for the? um, we’re taught that to make money is hard. We’re taught that there’s a scarcity which there’s want and lack and actually there’s not and I think when you get onto this spiritual path when you start believing.

23:28.98
Clair Bush
The.

23:39.32
katrinamcollier
You understand that you can genuinely manifest you know we we were but you can genuinely manifest the life you want and that there is no, there’s no scarcity. There is enough for everybody. There’s more than enough. Um, it is getting that abundant mindset but where we are at the moment.

23:47.27
Clair Bush
Um, yeah, no.

23:58.97
katrinamcollier
You know there is a lot of fear and scaremongering um and I could really go into that on a woowi scale but we won’t just for the sake of chime Love to read the book. Ah.

24:05.45
Clair Bush
Okay, there definitely is a massive big point to reading the book for sure in terms of I have haven’t I’ve done it really early on. But I think it’s really important because you know I think all the best minds these days.

24:13.53
katrinamcollier
Ah, hello and you’ve just outed me and my spirit shall haven’t you now the world will know I’m out of the closet. Yeah.

24:24.78
Clair Bush
Ah, on that path already. There’s a dimensional perspective that you can’t You can’t really succeed I don’t think in this world because it’s so kind of chaotic and introverted and I don’t mean introverts as and the Introvert expert.

24:25.52
katrinamcollier
They really are.

24:37.48
katrinamcollier
Um, yeah.

24:41.99
katrinamcollier
Um, yeah, yeah inward looking? Yeah yeah, um, yeah.

24:43.60
Clair Bush
Ah, just feel like so much navel gazing and so much kind of programming that wraps you in in and on itself that actually unless you have that six sense really turned on you’re You’re not going to see where your rainbows are or where where’

25:00.19
katrinamcollier
Yeah, you’re so right isn’t it when you think about the people you look up to so I actually went to a concert I So really do that I went to pink now she is a light worker that woman loves who she is She loves her family unit. She loves the people that she she’s created a family in her work family.

25:03.27
Clair Bush
Golden Pathways are.

25:10.63
Clair Bush
Yep.

25:19.84
katrinamcollier
And then she loves that audience and those fans and she makes sure everything’s fine and she is so down to earth and so grounded and but everything is about love and helping people and it’s funny. It’s it’s funny when you think about all this stuff that goes on on all this. Oh.

25:26.21
Clair Bush
Yeah.

25:38.18
katrinamcollier
Gosh they’re Trans and they’re this or they’re Non-binary. They’re this.. It’s like we have all of us have male and female energy and we all flip between the 2 and there’s been this beautiful rise of the divine feminine energy and if we all just embraced it and accept it. We all have it. We all flip between male and female and actually when we’re in that beautiful feminine energy. Look what we can create look at the healing we can create look at you know how gamechanging it is and I think that’s what’s so concerning to the patriarchy is that there is this rise and there is this change and there are all these individuals.

25:57.92
Clair Bush
Yeah.

26:12.34
katrinamcollier
Who are embracing their feminine energy. Be they male female. Non it just matter but embracing that loving kindness and they are creating something that’s like a it’s almost like a revolution isn’t it but like a light revolution and the patriarch is not liking it so much.

26:17.34
Clair Bush
Um.

26:23.60
Clair Bush
Yeah, no, you’re right? Well the thing is as well with the noise that I think is being now resonated and it’s that that reverberation of good.

26:29.50
katrinamcollier
It’s falling. It’s not liking. It’s like clinging on. Ah.

26:41.96
Clair Bush
I see in the light like you talk about and I’ve seen that myself as well. There are so many people stepping up for others but first for themselves because they have to do the work for themselves and then step up to support others and I think yeah helped yourself.

26:42.48
katrinamcollier
Ah, and yeah.

26:46.85
katrinamcollier
Yeah, ascension. Yeah, you cannot help others if you don’t if you haven’t actually let me clarify that helped yourself because actually if you are.

26:59.95
Clair Bush
Yeah.

27:03.13
katrinamcollier
Following anyone on social media who says that they have healed snake oil right? So I have healed my wound but there is still a scar so therefore I can trigger nobody is completely healed and will never trigger again. So just.

27:15.10
Clair Bush
Yeah.

27:20.19
katrinamcollier
Be wary of that when you’re selecting who you work with as well I Just yeah, want to throw that in hopefully I didn’t throw you off track.

27:22.92
Clair Bush
Yeah, well actually that’s a good point because we’ were gonna start thinking about wrapping up but also I wanted to talk about. You know what’s next? what’s what’s in terms of the podcast. Obviously you’ve got the number of beautiful souls that you’re gonna be talking to What’s the the sort of.

27:35.10
katrinamcollier
Ah, yeah.

27:40.18
Clair Bush
Premise for this as the starting point or at least another open door for people to really kind of help step through.

27:45.12
katrinamcollier
Yeah I Just think if we could just normalize the conversation. We we hear that a lot don’t we and we do have these talks about mental Health but mine is very specifically about step one because people can get to the point that they need help but they don’t take the step.

27:59.97
Clair Bush
Um, ah.

28:04.90
katrinamcollier
So I want to tell so many different people’s stories wherever they are on the path. They might only be a year into healing like you know they might be barely there but what what made them take the step and what have they already found because you very quickly like we talked about you very quickly find oh you know gosh wow that wasn’t so bad.

28:05.30
Clair Bush
Um, yeah.

28:14.81
Clair Bush
Yeah, yeah.

28:23.44
katrinamcollier
And I guess I’d like people to intentionally do it. You know I felt I I mean thank goodness the universe put Michelle Zollie and hundred be and I was able to do that thank goodness. But but you know I would like people to intentionally choose and it’s like it’s okay, like you will be safe and then and then keep going because you might.

28:30.21
Clair Bush
Get.

28:39.64
Clair Bush
Um, yeah.

28:42.61
katrinamcollier
I I went along with Michelle for a while then I needed other things and other people and then I decided to work on Dna and past life and you name it which might be few might not but that’s okay, like it’s keep going keep trying don’t plateau um, so so that my my hope is.

28:54.00
Clair Bush
Um, yeah.

28:59.40
katrinamcollier
And I feel this is going to happen that you know people just read the book and they might pass it on to someone say oh God read this book just you just might find something in there for you and the podcast is the same um just to encourage genuinely. Yeah, that’s all I can think is I want to encourage that one step because it’s the hardest step.

29:08.11
Clair Bush
Um.

29:17.70
Clair Bush
Um, yeah, yeah and I definitely.

29:18.19
katrinamcollier
I assume you’ll agree when you you went? Okay I need help Mel got to call someone or message or Whatsapp or text or ah.

29:24.20
Clair Bush
No, and and totally yeah yeah and I think I think that’s the thing is like finding finding that person that you can go. Thank you Ah, kind of now I know what I need to do and you’ve just helped me realize that actually that step isn’t.

29:33.41
katrinamcollier
And.

29:41.99
Clair Bush
As daunting and we talked about it just before coming on but you know that that preconceived idea that trauma therapy or um, even just healing or even just you know the fact that we sit there and go I need to go to the gym because I feel unhealthy.

29:44.48
katrinamcollier
Um, yeah.

29:49.78
katrinamcollier
A yeah.

30:00.66
Clair Bush
You know that first step of actually walking into a gym I mean I’ve got stories of getting stuck walking into a gym but that’s for another day but you know that whole whole sort of first at piece if we can demystify it and show that actually there’s so many doors that can open.

30:00.93
katrinamcollier
Um, yeah.

30:10.81
katrinamcollier
Yeah, yeah, it’s this one up here. It’s ego over heart and you can call it whatever you want in a critic in a mentor. Um I’ll call it in a being at times I’ll call it soul. Whatever you wish right.

30:18.12
Clair Bush
Yeah.

30:29.00
katrinamcollier
Heart’s what you want to be following. That’s that’s the one that’s quite a voice never going to lead you Astray This is loud man and when you’ve been through trauma like mine. It’s even louder because you’ve got someone else’s voices in your head you know and and constantly tearing you down. Ego wants to keep you I mean you hear it. The Cliche don’t you life’s outside the comfort zone. It wants to keep you small and safe because it it helped you through your childhood when you’ve been through childhood trauma it’s Overdeveloped. It’s even bigger and wanting to keep you small and and oh and it’s like but actually it’s it’s an.

30:50.74
Clair Bush
Ah.

30:54.50
Clair Bush
Yeah, it’s much more of a cast iron box. Yeah yeah.

31:03.32
katrinamcollier
It’s enough and sometimes you can just say ego. Can you just you know I’d I’d really like to hear soul and hear heart and see hear what’s going on and just you know, really quietly sitting but again I mean when I go back to the like there’s a lot of distraction isn’t there see you know why don’t people go to the gym. Well I could just pick my phone up and I can do.

31:19.60
Clair Bush
Um.

31:23.90
katrinamcollier
Is it doom scroll as well as the next person I tend to find the fun as though I look for the funies and go past the depression but you know it’s It’s like we have a lot of distractions. Um, and I feel that a lot of people are being distracted from listening and stopping and being quiet. There’s this, You must always be doing something. No actually walking with.

31:30.58
Clair Bush
Um, yeah, yeah.

31:40.42
katrinamcollier
No headphones being able to just hear the world is not a bad thing but listen to a podcast or or should we just be quiet. So yeah B and a lot of people are uncomfortable to be initially.

31:47.30
Clair Bush
Yeah, fill the time I think that’s it isn’t it. It’s a kind of if we can rage against filling time and just be um because it is scary being by yourself in yourself with yourself.

31:59.46
katrinamcollier
You know then? yeah, initially yeah um yeah, but this this help I know I’m excited.

32:03.44
Clair Bush
If you don’t know how to listen talk back or even address I suppose so this is awesome. There’s definite help What else is coming. What can you say is coming next. What’s the last bit that we’re leaving.

32:18.24
katrinamcollier
What is coming after this I don’t know I don’t know what’s coming next I feel this is going to open a lot of doors because I feel the message needs to be heard So I’m excited to see what happens you know I.

32:20.28
Clair Bush
Ah, listeners with.

32:35.93
katrinamcollier
I Hoped my first boat like the Robot proof recruiter would do well but this has just got a whole other energy to it when I read it back I’m like Wow there’s so much healing in here. There’s so much to inspire people to just change and to just realize the impact as well. You know I grew up in the ripple of a suicide.

32:42.00
Clair Bush
Um.

32:50.77
Clair Bush
Um, yeah.

32:55.90
katrinamcollier
I Grew up in the ripple of trauma that the the energy behind words and I think that even just that realization for some people will be like actually hang on Am I passing this on I don’t want to be doing that you know like I had it passed on like enough it stops with me and I just feel like.

33:05.12
Clair Bush
Yeah.

33:11.26
katrinamcollier
I Don’t know I just feel like I’ll be heading off in a different direction being able to talk about this and inspire people and I think as we were talking about before I came on because I’m so grounded and normal and I think that has I do have these incredible spiritual gifts but I don’t seem like I do.

33:16.88
Clair Bush
Um, well ah.

33:28.30
katrinamcollier
Just seem really normal to people. So I think I might hear the message better. Hopefully I hope so because I just I’d love people to feel like the happiness that I feel now. So.

33:38.77
Clair Bush
Well on behalf of everybody who’s yet to listen and on behalf of everybody who’s yet to read the damage of words which is coming soon I Want to say Thank you Thank you for doing this me too. Um.

33:48.33
katrinamcollier
Yes, no thank you are you making me cry again, stop it. Ah.

33:55.91
Clair Bush
Thank you for but I mean that door and being really brave and courageous for all of us really appreciate it.

34:00.55
katrinamcollier
Ah, you’re so welcome. It’s an honor. It’s a true honor. Thanks Claire! Thank you for hosting this by the way. Ah.

34:08.51
Clair Bush
It’s been a pleasure. Absolutely pleasure I don’t need any any kind of excuse to sit and I would chat with you. So yeah, anytime.

34:11.92
katrinamcollier
Thank goodness.