Ep. 23: Cultivating Peace, Love & Abundance Through Healing with Isobel Gatherer

 

Unedited Transcript: Healing with Isobel Gatherer

00:00.96
katrinamcollier
Isabelle Gatherer welcome to Beyond the Damage of Words podcast I am so excited to talk to you because we’ve been working together for over two years and actually I know very little of your backstory which is shocking I know.

00:02.73
Isobel Gatherer
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00:11.34
Isobel Gatherer
I Know what we do not meant to are you and when we’re working together. It’s your time.

00:15.73
katrinamcollier
No, but you’re adorable. You’re adorable and I want to know by the way anybody like work with Isabel they have been the most incredible to years in my life. So thank you for everything you do so what led you into healing what what started the process. What was the great. Realization.

00:36.63
Isobel Gatherer
Well I needed it I realized that when I was there been inidency through my life especially when I was older when I have my own children things kept happening to me and I thought ah God I All I need is somebody just to sit and listen to me That’s all I need That’s all I wanted.

00:43.37
katrinamcollier
And.

00:54.16
Isobel Gatherer
Just listen to me, let me get it out. Let me talk about it and I was I was going through a pretty rough time back in the 90 s with the 3 young children single mom and in a relationship with my twin flame which as you know can be quite. Yeah, so ah and I was also working for.

01:05.80
katrinamcollier
Um, hell.

01:13.68
Isobel Gatherer
Working for an organization and I was being bullied at work. So it was all coming to a massive massive massive like a big boil ready for first and that’s the first time I ever went for counseling and the first counsellor I worked with basically went straight in as.

01:19.60
katrinamcollier
Oh my gosh. Wow.

01:30.90
katrinamcollier
Ah.

01:32.90
Isobel Gatherer
You were adopted. It’s something to do with you’ve been adopted I’m like no no, no, no, it’s nothing to do with me be being adopted but actually when you look back. It is so he opened me up then went off Sick I was like what now help. Ah.

01:43.53
katrinamcollier
Oh why? Oh my gosh.

01:49.13
Isobel Gatherer
And then luckily that my little angel Patrick came along and Patrick helped me over six weeks so that was the start of it but that was a long time ago. He’s an earth angel earth angel Patrick he was the social worker and he was amazing and he helped me so much.

01:56.98
katrinamcollier
So hang on your little Angel Patrick is an an angel angel or ah, another councillor angel. Okay, right? yeah.

02:07.62
Isobel Gatherer
But then that was it for goodness those how many years and then I started again about ten years ago on the healing journey life got in the way it was almost like it was a quick fix you know and then as I got.

02:12.87
katrinamcollier
Wow. So what? yeah so it gave you enough skills for you to be able to go. Okay I can get on with all of these things I’ve got going on which is a lot and you just sort of.

02:24.93
Isobel Gatherer
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:29.21
katrinamcollier
Yeah I bet that happens to a lot of mums as well because it’s very hard to focus on yourself though you need it.

02:33.71
Isobel Gatherer
Yeah I remember going to and actually before that had happened I’ve got postnatal depression when I had the twins and I’d gone to some group that oh I’ve Katrina I’ve had it all some group that was being run by some social workers and I ended up.

02:40.71
katrinamcollier
Oh. Oh.

02:51.15
Isobel Gatherer
Counseling the other women in the group and I thought you’re just taking on more stuff. Typical empath right? So I didn’t know and she phoned me up and said why haven’t you come and I said because I’m helping everybody else and nobody’s helping me and she said some words on that phone that ah resonated with me for the rest of my life.

02:55.46
katrinamcollier
Yes.

03:09.94
Isobel Gatherer
You need to heal because it’s like a wound that you’ve put a plaster over and you just it’s festerine and and I thought those words stopp with me for a very long time and it’s so true. You have to take the plaster off, you have to do the mucking out clearing all the but out in the heels isn’t it.

03:13.56
katrinamcollier
Yeah.

03:20.90
katrinamcollier
And it yeah well to be fair, It’s more than a plaster isn’t it. You’ll are throwing plaster upon plaster and layers and there’s always a digging Journey isn’t it to get to the wound which is then always so much smaller than you expect it to be.

03:31.11
Isobel Gatherer
Um, yeah, yeah.

03:37.42
Isobel Gatherer
Yeah, it’s the gok around. It isn’t it that needs to yeah, you need to clear that So there’s been little stepping stones along the way. Um, and then I had when I moved here I did lots and lots of healing when I moved into this house because it was ah it’s a perfect place to.

03:37.67
katrinamcollier
When you finally get. Ah yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:49.75
katrinamcollier
Yeah, yeah.

03:53.52
Isobel Gatherer
Wi-fi not be very might not be very good but it’s a perfect place to do the healing.

03:58.55
katrinamcollier
We’re very lucky. We’re using Zencastr or we’ll be well. So but you said it was ten years ago that you first started so healing the deep stuff. What was that? What did you do at that point to start going? Okay, okay.

04:13.77
Isobel Gatherer
What did I do oh it was when it’s coming up for 10 years so it was when yeah I’d almost crumbled to the bottom. There was no way else to go I I was on the bottom I’d gone through a really bad awful divorce. In fact, it was less than 10 years ago, but it’s.

04:18.23
katrinamcollier
And.

04:26.93
katrinamcollier
Um, wow.

04:32.82
Isobel Gatherer
It’s nine years ago and I was on the reading. Oh it was awful I wouldn’t wish you’re on anybody and it was then that you’re at the lowy step and there’s only 1 way you can go and that’s up and 2016 when I actually eventually moved out my old home and went on the road for a few few years I think

04:32.92
katrinamcollier
Yeah, yeah.

04:50.61
katrinamcollier
So.

04:51.66
Isobel Gatherer
I Don’t think I knew you then but I lived in a motorhome and traveled around a lot and I walked I walked and I walked and I walked and that’s when the healing started to happen because I was me and the dog.

04:55.92
katrinamcollier
So amazing.

05:05.51
Isobel Gatherer
And out in the countryside or on the beach or wherever but it was always somewhere that was kind and gentle and nurturing and supporting and I just walked and I processed and I let it all come up and more come up and more come up and there’ was nobody there. Nobody knew me those people on this campsites that stayed on but nobody knew me.

05:12.18
katrinamcollier
Um, yeah.

05:24.60
Isobel Gatherer
And so it gave me that space that I needed to work on what was down there right? So I didn’t get it all cleared then but that was that was a big part of it. That’s what started it truly off and that was self-healing I did it So I did it on my own. Sorry.

05:28.85
katrinamcollier
Yeah, yeah.

05:35.24
katrinamcollier
Do we do do we dare ask what wasra. What did you find? what did you find when you were doing that healing. Yeah yeah.

05:44.65
Isobel Gatherer
Oh what did I find well, that’s when a lot of the stuff that I’m going to talk about in a minute came up. It was a lot that’s been going on for years. Um, there was I mean I was brought up in the 60 s and you didn’t talk about things in you put a stiff upper lip got on with it be stoic carry on.

06:00.57
katrinamcollier
And ah.

06:03.93
Isobel Gatherer
Everything just carry it. Yeah push it down carry on and ah the the thing that came up was the grief of losing my dad when I was 9 and I wasn’t encouraged to talk about it when I was little I there was no.

06:13.52
katrinamcollier
5

06:21.93
Isobel Gatherer
Bereavement counseling when I was little when we were a little at that age. We just had to get on with it and my mom bless a heart her way. You’re dealing with it was just to carry on I went to school the day after he died I was back at school as if nothing had happened.

06:35.46
katrinamcollier
Oh my words.

06:39.55
Isobel Gatherer
And then my mom died when was 17 and I did the same art which she died on the Saturday and I went back to work on the Monday imagine the conversation. So what did you do at the weekend key much.

06:50.95
katrinamcollier
Well buried my mom and then I went back to work. Oh my gosh then that was the wrong model. Yeah I don’t know why there’s generational trauma going on here Really I don’t Ah, it’s caught.

06:52.29
Isobel Gatherer
Yeah, that’s how we would grow up.

07:02.89
Isobel Gatherer
And so.

07:05.65
katrinamcollier
I’ve been at the whole reason I’ve written the memoir as you know because you’ve been my birthing partner by the way anybody listening Isabelle is a massive part of the reason that this memoir will become an actual memoir. So thank you for that. But yeah, all of this suppression and all of this.

07:14.63
Isobel Gatherer
Yeah, you’re welcome.

07:21.80
katrinamcollier
Pushing down. It’s just so unhealthy isn’t it. Gosh.

07:22.40
Isobel Gatherer
Yeah, and it’s going to come up sometime and it used to come up a lot when I if I drank a lot because I used to be I used to drink a lot of alcohol God and it used to come through.

07:33.83
katrinamcollier
Numbing. Yeah.

07:35.24
Isobel Gatherer
You know and I used to have a blowout nearly once once every six months I had a massive blowout and you can almost imagine people running for cover because it all got too much and it all came up and what I’ve learned over the last few years is you don’t let it get to that stage you talk about it even if you’re talking to yourself. You talk about it and let it come through. So that it doesn’t build up. It’s moving. It’s shifting the whole time and as it shifts you can do the work. Yeah, oh it was always out live Katrina I always talked to myself.

07:55.43
katrinamcollier
And yeah, which is what you were doing on those walks when you were walking you I assume you were talking even internally even if it wasn’t out loud just letting it? Yeah, ah.

08:10.69
Isobel Gatherer
Claire audience you see so I’m always talking to this.

08:11.53
katrinamcollier
Um, yeah I gosh I really relate to that I have amazing in a dialogue. It’s like that the conversations two way. It’s never just it’s yeah I think it’s one of the joys of entire audience.

08:16.45
Isobel Gatherer
Yes.

08:21.90
Isobel Gatherer
Sort your problems now though don’t you when you’re doing it that way you get all your problems sorted out.

08:27.91
katrinamcollier
Totally and I have little like conversations with myself like why are you thinking about that. That’s really not helping you in the slightest. It’s not gonna you know and then a light bulb goes off and yeah I love it. It definitely helps. Yes, yes.

08:38.11
Isobel Gatherer
Yeah, oh I’m always yes, you’re right I know yes I’ll yes I will do that? Yes, yes, so that anybody here in me must think bonker.

08:46.26
katrinamcollier
I.

08:51.41
katrinamcollier
It’s kind of crazy though because we’re all born with our clear senses open but because of the schooling system locking us down and making us all logical then we sound crazy whereas we know actually all we’ve done is reopened or or become reaware of the gifts we already had which is yeah.

08:58.52
Isobel Gatherer
Um, yeah.

09:05.90
Isobel Gatherer
Yeah, exactly yeah.

09:09.93
katrinamcollier
Thank goodness though does explain my crazy inner dialogue Anyway, that to you So your your oh my gosh I cannot believe you’re at school. Oh oh my God I kind of measured what that was like so what happened was this what? yeah I was just going to say was the school supportive.

09:17.45
Isobel Gatherer
Yeah, well it was horrific because I’ve also have had the the most awful teacher at the time. So my dad I was 9 when dad died. Nope absolutely not.

09:28.45
katrinamcollier
No.

09:32.73
Isobel Gatherer
And I think that is this is you know the Beyond the damage a would I think this is where the damage really happened and yes there was difficulty with but fat. Um, we didn’t talk about my dad passing and I wasn’t prepared for it. They hadn’t told me about it. It just happened even though they knew it was very poorly that was just how they did it in those days.

09:37.40
katrinamcollier
Um, and yeah, um.

09:49.22
katrinamcollier
Oh my gosh.

09:52.50
Isobel Gatherer
Um, but it was my it was a school I was in um I can’t remember how old well I was nine so I don’t know what year I was in but I was in primary school. Well we called it middle school in those days and I had a teacher called Mr White and I don’t care if he hears this I don’t care if anybody who knows.

09:57.80
katrinamcollier
Yeah, oh.

10:08.99
Isobel Gatherer
He is this. It really doesn’t matter because he was not a very nice teacher at all. He was horrible. Um I would say he’s probably in his eighty s now so he probably was about 20 something but he he was a real bully. He had a class full of obviously boys and girls all all around the same age nine and.

10:10.65
katrinamcollier
Not white and.

10:28.29
Isobel Gatherer
His’s every day and we had him in those days we had just that teacher for every subject couldn’t get away from him every day he would get the plimol out and he would line us up for 1 reason or another get us to bend down and smack us with a plimsol.

10:28.83
katrinamcollier
M.

10:44.67
Isobel Gatherer
Bearing in mind girls wore dresses in those days I’m just you know it was just awful and you get you go out the classroom and you’d say is anybody talking I can hear me and you go out the classroom moment.

10:46.14
katrinamcollier
All right? So for the non brits. What’s the plim so as well. Sorry oh sorry yeah no I was just asking I was just asking What’s a plim soul for those that aren’t british.

11:01.93
Isobel Gatherer
Oh it’s a pump like a slitter like a like a trainer but they were relate a little for black ones remember you? Yeah, we called them pumps actually but no black horrible things that you walk peeing. Basically.

11:05.65
katrinamcollier
Oh okay, got you? what? no because I didn’t grow up here. Okay, so so so he would he would he would line you up and like what makeup excuses almost to hit you.

11:22.65
Isobel Gatherer
Every day every day so we go out of the class and he come back in and he get an obviously we were children you talk when the teacher gone out the class. So we come back in who’s been talking so you put your hand up because you knew you’d get caught out anyway and right out.

11:25.70
katrinamcollier
Costs.

11:41.60
Isobel Gatherer
At the front of the class. We all lined up and and it was the waiting I know you’ve talked about this before it was the waiting in the inevitable but to happen. So we knew what he was doing. You were glad when yours had happened because you could go and sit down and he did hurt anyway. Um.

11:44.40
katrinamcollier
Yes.

11:57.78
Isobel Gatherer
And then you learnt right? So you learn. Okay, so he’s going out. We’re not going to talk because he used to hide around the corner. You knew you were talking so come in who’s been talking and nobody had been talking or somebody must have been talking and nobody had so he’d get the weakest child out of the class and he’d stand that child up at the front and he’d say right. Unless you own up to talking Ian is going to get a smack for every single one of you in this class and so because you didn’t want that to happen to that poor child who was basically shaking. We all put a hand up even though we haven’t been talking and he got his own way again and smacked us.

12:23.81
katrinamcollier
Oh my gosh.

12:35.56
katrinamcollier
Crazy. So.

12:37.25
Isobel Gatherer
Horrific and so you get punished for talking and then they’d say stand up now and do your 10 times tables or stand up and I want to hear your spelling test and you like you tell Mr. Shut up, you’re punishing us for talking and then you’re asking us to stand up and talking class. Unbelievable.

12:53.77
katrinamcollier
My gosh and I assume that or say if it was like my household I couldn’t because ironically my father was a teacher as you know and not just in this lifetime as well. Um.

12:56.27
Isobel Gatherer
Unbelievable. You didn’t tell me.

13:06.16
Isobel Gatherer
Um, yeah.

13:07.64
katrinamcollier
But the the fact that you I couldn’t go home and say anything because I wasn’t believed I Assume you had a similar like the other teachers.

13:11.57
Isobel Gatherer
I wouldn’t I wouldn’t have done it because of what mom was going through already because I could feel that she was going through what she was going through so you didn’t want to bring again and also being adopted. You want to be the good girl never wanted to get in trouble because I didn’t You’ve got that.

13:18.56
katrinamcollier
I ah.

13:26.73
katrinamcollier
Um, oh.

13:31.17
Isobel Gatherer
Abandonment thing going on even though you don’t know you have and so I didn’t bring I tried not to bring trouble to the door I was only ever smacked once by my parents. My mom smapped me once a break in the camera and it broke my heart because I so wanted to be a good girl I am pale.

13:44.73
katrinamcollier
Yeah.

13:47.94
Isobel Gatherer
Myself on railings once right I managed to get myself off the railing I had a hole in my tommy but I didn’t tell my mom because I didn’t want it to be cross with me.

13:57.86
katrinamcollier
Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh I mean that’s a whole other layer of like is it I don’t know what it is. It’s not a emotional abuse is it is it neglect I don’t know what it is and anyway an emotional trauma. So what happened you you.

14:11.74
Isobel Gatherer
It’s not neglect. It’s just it. It’s not neglect. She didn’t but.

14:16.43
katrinamcollier
You you? yes so it’s not neglect, but it’s still in a it’s still an emotion. Trauma isn’t it so you buried it and buried and buried it. How did it surface. How did you go enough I have to go and work on this.

14:19.32
Isobel Gatherer
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

14:28.91
Isobel Gatherer
It was only a few weeks a few weeks ago it was when I’d done the healing around what had happened around me leaving my ex-husband and losing everything that was massive that was grief again and it was when I came here.

14:37.33
katrinamcollier
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

14:44.19
Isobel Gatherer
And everything just service I was working with my my daughters a shaman and she was running a group out in Australia and it was online and I joined it and she started talking about vulnerability and then all of a sudden I thought no I can’t be vulnerable I can’t be vulnerable. How can I be strong if I’m vulnerable.

14:49.59
katrinamcollier
And.

15:00.70
Isobel Gatherer
But the vulnerability was the place because the but vulnerability was was where I accessed all of this and it was my daughter and if they do say your children help you don’t they yeah and then everything came up. It was very messy.

15:06.94
katrinamcollier
Ah, vulnerabilities as part. Yeah, that’s amazing. Yeah yeah, but it is. It’s this. Is this crazy thing and this fear of being vulnerable but vulnerability is actually the strength and everybody loves it when you’re vulnerable. They’re like oh my gosh. She’s so Amazing. You’re so Vulnerable. It’s like okay, it’s like yeah, it’s crazy I think I think we will become more vulnerable and more comfortable with vulnerability as we Heal. What’s coming up already.

15:28.80
Isobel Gatherer
And then let’s click.

15:36.99
Isobel Gatherer
Yeah, yeah.

15:40.37
katrinamcollier
So did you did you talk to someone specifically or was it just the opening of all your spirituality was it the working with your daughter like what was it for.

15:46.76
Isobel Gatherer
Well, the spirituality started it off as well because obviously I could see what was going I could see the miracles I started to trust him myself I started to believe in the Angels and miracles happened. Um, so that was a massive catalyst as well and when I got.

15:56.30
katrinamcollier
Um.

15:58.93
katrinamcollier
So no professionals per se but are amazing.

16:03.40
Isobel Gatherer
No I did it myself. Yeah, we did it myself. It was messy. You know it was snotty and messy and yuck and I wouldn’t but I’m glad I did it I’m so glad I did it and now I don’t let anything get in there I don’t let anything.

16:08.60
katrinamcollier
M.

16:18.32
katrinamcollier
Um.

16:20.27
Isobel Gatherer
Come to that stage don’t bury it if something comes up something happens I vocalize it I let it out I shift it out of my body I move it I don’t want it to get stuck there because I never want to go back and have to do the same thing again. So rather than going I’m going to I’m going to you know, gulp that down and put my head up high and walk off. No.

16:20.37
katrinamcollier
Thank you? yeah.

16:29.87
katrinamcollier
Yeah, yeah.

16:36.26
katrinamcollier
A yeah so 2

16:39.76
Isobel Gatherer
I’m gonna and it’s not always vocalize it to the person who’s upset me because sometimes that doesn’t work. It’s just not allowing it to sit. It’s not allowing it to stay. It’s allowing it to be there so I can see what the what’s triggered me. Why am I feeling in this way about this. What’s that.

16:54.49
katrinamcollier
Right.

16:58.84
Isobel Gatherer
What that person’s just said to me why has it made me feel like this way and then I can do some work around that but I won’t hold on to it because it becomes bitter. It becomes stagnant so I don’t want that I walk to a lot walk if.

17:01.13
katrinamcollier
And.

17:07.30
katrinamcollier
So how do you? How do you not hold on to it like how do you? So I mean I don’t know that you know this one but I had an altercation with the dog. The owner of the dog that’s never on the lead.

17:24.46
Isobel Gatherer
No I didn’t know that Oh no.

17:24.73
katrinamcollier
That has attacked my dog on Saturday Saturday. Yeah yeah, I just said to her perhaps if she was gonna keep her dog off the lead that perhaps she should keep her eyes on it. Um, and you know I would’t I would have delivered it it in quite a contemptuous tone. Um. So it’s it is like I’m hanging onto it even though I can see everything that she said after that told me how much she hates herself. It was brilliant like in that respective because I’ve done all this work. But you know it kind of eats at you right? It’s like I’m now concerned I’m going to run into her again because I know the dogs aren’t going to be on the lead and ah she and I being rude to each other. You know it’s like.

17:49.84
Isobel Gatherer
Yeah, yeah, it does.

18:01.22
katrinamcollier
So how do you in when things like that happen go and let it.

18:03.60
Isobel Gatherer
About a few of those lately actually not with dogs but I’ve had a few in a alterticcations with Tesco men and bully boy men and I’m like what why am I and they was yes they both said why are you shouting at me.

18:14.17
katrinamcollier
Ah, people that don’t like boundaries ah people that don’t like self-respect. Ah.

18:22.26
Isobel Gatherer
So I’ll look at it again. Ah I look at it then go What is this all about why am I feeling like this. Why is this happening to me Andml live a can’ process it you know like this I’ll process it through Journaling until I get to the.

18:23.93
katrinamcollier
Um, oh my gosh I now want to know? yeah.

18:30.44
katrinamcollier
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

18:40.90
Isobel Gatherer
The core of what it is and usually there’s something inside of you that you still need to shift right for it to because there are a catalyst. What’s just happened as a catalyst how you behave was the result of that. So go in what is still there that you need to work on and then just let whatever.

18:45.40
katrinamcollier
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

18:55.48
katrinamcollier
And.

18:58.58
Isobel Gatherer
Then you say thank you? Mr. Tesco man who called me awat its Christmas Christmas amon.

19:00.37
katrinamcollier
Yeah, really I hope he means dawn French version. Not the other version.

19:11.14
Isobel Gatherer
Big. Thank you for showing me that because that is a lesson I need to learn and then if I think about him is instead feeling like I turn it around and ago you were obviously having a bad day. It was Christmas you would be me, you wanted me to reverse.

19:13.69
katrinamcollier
Ah, yeah gotcha. Yeah yes, yeah.

19:28.21
Isobel Gatherer
Five miles down the road and like you only had to reverse five feet that’s why I was so strong. Oh we’ve had human those lately.

19:39.22
katrinamcollier
Ah, yeah, no, That’s yeah, but that’s I think that’s really like because that’s super super useful and also because sometimes it is actually something that we have to learn and sometimes it is just something projected and it’s great to be able to see. I Quite liked being able to see because I feel like there might be more of this in the future when the memoir comes out of more people that just don’t get it projecting and me just going ah but I quite like having a little stories because then I can teach other people with it. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

19:56.98
Isobel Gatherer
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah.

20:03.16
Isobel Gatherer
Sometimes it’s a lesson that we need to learn and sometimes it’s their lesson right? We always think how it’s our responsibility and often it is but sometimes it’s them having a really bad day and how we respond is what they need to hear for them to.

20:11.30
katrinamcollier
Okay.

20:15.99
katrinamcollier
Um, yeah, yeah.

20:21.58
Isobel Gatherer
To work. But whether they do the work is another matter. But that’s not up to us is it. But yeah, it’s interesting. It is interesting how these things happen.

20:26.30
katrinamcollier
That’s True. So with you with your when when you’re in the middle of your you’re doing the self work when did you open up spiritually when did you so you realize that you had the divine with you Angels with you and I mean all the incredible work that we’ve done which has been. Off the charts crazy and sometimes.

20:44.89
Isobel Gatherer
It tough I’ll never find it on you Katrina um, originally 2000 well get in. Love.

20:51.20
katrinamcollier
We’ve been travelling all around the planet and doing all sorts of amazing healing and detangling me from Karmic bonds and healing past lives What haven’t we done. We’ve done it all. Ah it has been but shift the shift.

21:01.96
Isobel Gatherer
It’s been amazing. It’s been absolutely amazing. Life’s quite boring now without our we please fashion.

21:09.80
katrinamcollier
Oh I’m so sorry the shift in me though in those 2 years is just extraordinary I think that’s where I really great gained that self-mastery even though I have altercations with useless dog owners. Um that that self-mastery really came from our work together. so I’m I’m so grateful

21:18.89
Isobel Gatherer
Yeah. Yeah, you love.

21:27.54
katrinamcollier
And also that that feeling of that I won’t ever have another life with my narcissistic mother. That’s also been quite liberating. But anyway this is meant to be about you not me I just want to thank you as often as possible. Thank Michelle for starting me off and.

21:35.60
Isobel Gatherer
Yeah I know Coffee. And what did you have asked me why can I remember what you asked? What did you ask me.

21:46.10
katrinamcollier
Youleting it. What did I ask you? oh you know? So when you when did your spiritual gifts open when did you realize that you could see all this stuff that other people cannot see because you do see don’t eat because you’re Clari and with sorry.

21:49.93
Isobel Gatherer
Yes. Well when I was listeningal I could yeah I more Claire audience I’m Claire order Claire sentient and Claire Voant well we’ve got them all but they’re the main 3 met a Claire audience being the main one. So I’ve always been claireor I’ve always talked to myself and so that was always there.

22:05.35
katrinamcollier
Wow.

22:10.27
katrinamcollier
Yeah, yeah.

22:13.97
Isobel Gatherer
Um, clairvoyance more so when I was a little girl I can clearly remember the day that I closed it down and that was my dad again. He came back two days after he died and was waiting outside my bedroom door because we never got chance to say goodbye and I think that’s freaked me out and closed me down. Or I close myself down glavoyantly. But it’s back. Um, um, and then but and in my teens very much so very aware in my teens. Ah, but then I got married to um.

22:35.80
katrinamcollier
And.

22:49.57
Isobel Gatherer
Rob who is he was in the royal navy so I moved down to gospel and he all became very masculine led then and everything got parked all of that got parked heavy energy. Yeah, then obviously had the children so I was a mom and doing all the mum stuff and he didn’t have much time for anything else and then.

22:55.88
katrinamcollier
Oh yes, there’s heavy energy there very much. Yeah masculine armies.

23:08.23
Isobel Gatherer
It started to creep in in the 90 s so I had a reading in 9094 and this lady was incredible but she said to me, you’ve got a guardian angel and I thought I’ve never heard of that before and then she started talking to me about I know and she didn’t.

23:23.19
katrinamcollier
So wow.

23:27.98
Isobel Gatherer
Yeah, you can work with them. She didn’t say this is how you work with them. She just said you’ve got a go the angel looking after you and I like how and then she told me that my dad was looking after me and that freak that was lovely but it was like really Wow but then I didn’t carry on I saw a couple of times for another reading.

23:31.41
katrinamcollier
Something useful. Um.

23:42.36
katrinamcollier
Yeah, then you think I don’t really I don’t really want him watching everything I’m up to I remember when Monica bought my maternal when Monica brought my maternal grandfather through and he said and about that boy.

23:47.31
Isobel Gatherer
I I know you have to be a bit off.

23:58.56
katrinamcollier
And he was basically talking about the toxic relationship I was in with my twin flame and I was like oh gosh she’s watching Oh so it was It was like great how it was how amazing and and to hear that and all of this I hadn’t you know seen this man since I was a really young child so it was amazing. But like oh.

24:06.45
Isobel Gatherer
Let’s say all they’re trying to help.

24:17.43
katrinamcollier
He’s watching all of that all my mistakes. Oh no I was yeah, it’s it is it is the double. Yeah so 94 s what happened? Yeah, which was a big year.

24:18.84
Isobel Gatherer
When they I know fascinating there isn’t it. Yeah, so that was in the 90 s and then it started again in 2012 that’s when it really came through and when the children who I had you know the children are grown.

24:36.13
katrinamcollier
Um, was it cosmically it was a big year as well was.

24:36.94
Isobel Gatherer
Um I got into I’d left the corporate world I was working as it. Yeah, it was yeah um I gone into the corporate I’d left the corporate world and I was working for myself as a freelance Pa and I kept being put in front of some amazing women who were spiritual and it was. Tried me with the first one and I didn’t understand what she’s talking about I like working for it Only it fascinated me first time I Saw a channel I was like whoa This is incredible I Loved it. It was so special know and then they put me as guide they put me in front of another one who was really out there and very.

25:02.33
katrinamcollier
Pick. Ah. Ah, the universe is just going hello.

25:15.26
katrinamcollier
Um, yeah.

25:15.94
Isobel Gatherer
Woo Really woo she was lovely to work for but she used to channel all the time and I was like she’s away with the fairies I don’t know to watch and then they put me in front of a really down to earth woman who very much like me and it was like she said have you worked with Angels and I said no well come on my course and it was there.

25:26.60
katrinamcollier
Yeah, yeah.

25:34.81
Isobel Gatherer
And the everything started to open up and you could almost see a yes long last.

25:39.54
katrinamcollier
Yeah, the chorus she’s finally yeah but I got that? Yeah ah and so how about with your what your daughter’s a shaman. So so did you know, could you see it in her or no because.

25:42.46
Isobel Gatherer
And he went from there. You know.

25:57.24
katrinamcollier
You didn’t awaken so with a sign in her that didn’t spiritual.

25:59.36
Isobel Gatherer
No, what happened was that what happened was I used to run little workshops at ah home and people used to come and do angel workshops with me and I used to get the two girls. My son’s we my son’s aware as well. So I’ve got 2 daughters and and Nicholas and Nick was a bit more you know.

26:05.43
katrinamcollier
Um, yeah, yeah, then.

26:16.97
Isobel Gatherer
No, that’s not for me but he’s he’s becoming more and more aware now. But my two girls used to get them to come on the workshops and they were brilliant and cat the Sharman who’s a shaman now she was like she got it. She was on fire and everybody if we paired up everybody wanted to pair up with cat.

26:19.22
katrinamcollier
Yeah, yeah.

26:25.33
katrinamcollier
Yeah, yeah.

26:34.90
katrinamcollier
Yeah, yeah.

26:36.70
Isobel Gatherer
She was so good at everything and I’m like oh this is interesting and um I would like to say I set those 2 off on their spiritual journey because both of them have gone on to do some great work. Um, and both of them are so connected and credib. So and as to say Nicholas is now.

26:46.60
katrinamcollier
Yeah.

26:52.60
Isobel Gatherer
Since nicholas’ dad died which well the kid’s dad died which was 2018 nick’s become much more aware as well and he sees he messages us and said this is just happened I’ve just been thinking of this and this has just happened yes son you’ve got the gift as well.

26:56.64
katrinamcollier
Um, yeah, says him? Yeah, it’s I find it really lovely and my friend mart longren um, his wife’s open and ah his 2 children are. And he’s seen it from such a young age that they are and it’s so lovely because he hasn’t quite logiced it away. In fact, he is very aware that his own clear gifts have opened because he’s watched and he’s seen and he’s just ah, you know, been open minded to it. It. So lovely.

27:21.21
Isobel Gatherer
Yeah.

27:26.45
Isobel Gatherer
You know it is it typical. Yeah it is. It’s great in it and and um, we’re open where we come in open and like but just hopefully what they are they doing their work and both all all of them are.

27:29.78
katrinamcollier
And we now have the most amazing conversations as well. Which just so cool. Yeah, yeah, the schooling system I mean it even without the horrific schooling and the bullying that you had at School. We’re shut down at School. We shut down by parents usually but we’re also shut down at school because everything.

27:50.97
Isobel Gatherer
Yeah.

27:53.98
katrinamcollier
But to be logical and proven and invisible and scientific and you know head down. Not the other way so which is which is a shame and.

28:00.46
Isobel Gatherer
Yeah, you know it’s it. It’s sad isn’t it I’ve seen I’m seen it still happen where teachers are so um, mom of my friends A little girl very very open and she used to draw pictures and she used to draw pictures of people and then put their auras around them as she called them their colors. Ah, their magic. What was it their magic and and my friends. Oh I don’t know why she does This is she’s seen their auras. Oh and then the teacher said she shouldn’t be doing that. That’s not right? and then she’d draw birds and they would like be brightly coloured birds and the Tu to say no birds are brown. No, they’re not parrots are all.

28:17.47
katrinamcollier
Um, they met take.

28:35.20
katrinamcollier
Not in Australia they’re not.

28:37.10
Isobel Gatherer
Manner of colors and why why you being like that with children. Why are you saying you cloth in their imagination down for 1 thing clothing their gifts sam yeah, absolutely.

28:40.86
katrinamcollier
Yeah, the damage of those words that that 1 drop 1 word and it’s yeah Mine’s always been that as well. I remember the whole like bras shopping. Don’t come that small was the comment I got you know like that and that’s you you you shut down you become. It’s amazing. How those single words isn’t it a shame I think it’s going to change though I really do I think more people are far more aware.

29:07.81
Isobel Gatherer
Yeah, yeah, it’s changing. It’s changing. It’s changing now my um Rachel and Amanda my Rachel’s partner Amanda’s doing a lot around children and and how to parents with openness and. And how to identify the kids’ skills and it’s just wonderful to watch them. Do it. You know to keep those girls still open and and and be choose be mindful about what words she use when you’re parenting as well because I look at back. How I did it good god no one I’m surprised all 3 of them have come out quite level.

29:25.77
katrinamcollier
Um, have yeah.

29:44.91
Isobel Gatherer
But they ask yeah but they are no.

29:45.33
katrinamcollier
Surprise they’re talking to me. Ah, yeah, yeah I mean look there is no. There is no parenting manual I mean we know that don’t we. So Would you? Yeah,, What’s the difference in how you feel now when you go from that person that had the festering wound that you were totally ignoring it to. Okay, you’ve amazingly done this yourself I think a lot of people need actual help whether it’s with the spiritual like yourself or a professional in the like the therapy because.

30:05.75
Isobel Gatherer
Yeah, they did yeah you know we just.

30:12.74
katrinamcollier
We put up our own defenses. So it really just depends at the switch Now you’ve done that how do you feel? how does life feel compared to floor.

30:21.35
Isobel Gatherer
Much happy, open less heavy, certainly less heavy more connected. Um, um at peace and I never ever thought I’d say I was at peace and I thought a few months ago. Why am I.

30:29.71
katrinamcollier
Um, yeah.

30:35.50
Isobel Gatherer
What what is it and I got you’re at peace and I thought oh my god I am at peace but from peace to love. You can still grow right? You can still bring some wonderful things in your life. It’s a wonderful platform to bounce off rather than despair where I was back in the in 2015 when I was like.

30:37.83
katrinamcollier
Stop What that feels like yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, um.

30:53.95
Isobel Gatherer
It felt like I was in a well and Aca he was a pinpointer light and that was what it felt like in my post natal depression as well. Like oh my god I’m I’m dying and all I could see was a tiny little light at the top and that was what I aim for but when you’re on this platform of peace and love and I am and I do love myself and I never thought I’d be able to say that either.

30:57.47
katrinamcollier
Um, yeah.

31:13.51
katrinamcollier
I mean either? No no, no, um, it’s I mean it’s really, it’s really different because actually I’m going back to my that dog walker for a second one of the things she said.

31:13.69
Isobel Gatherer
You know I know but isn’t it wonderful to be able to say and not mean it in an egotistical way. But I love my thumb. It’s I Just do and um.

31:30.97
katrinamcollier
Is that first she victim blamed so it’s banjo that was the problem every dog in here house. But every was a clue and then she said nobody likes you. You’re a horrible human and to me which really really amused me but it wouldn’t have so when I was full of Self-hate I would have been.

31:39.80
Isobel Gatherer
To you.

31:49.91
katrinamcollier
So upset by that whereas actually now I’m like no you dislike me which is fine I don’t have a problem with that because I like me and I’m a lovely human being and it was like that ability to be able to step out of it.

31:59.50
Isobel Gatherer
Um, yeah.

32:02.71
katrinamcollier
It is funny. It’s funny what you say people think is it egotistical. No, it’s not. It’s just this acceptance that some people like you and some people don’t as long as you love you. That’s all it matters and then it is peaceful, Totally totally. Yeah, no.

32:09.22
Isobel Gatherer
Yeah, you you know there’s people that you don’t like this people that I don’t like we’re humans. We’re you know we’re having this adventure in the human body. We’re not going to like everybody are we. But yeah.

32:22.11
katrinamcollier
Which is fine but that that difference in how I react to that personal insult I was reacting to her behavior because I was fearful for my dog I wasn’t reacting to the comment which was just like oh you don’t like yourself. Oh your poor thing. It’s like it’s It’s very.

32:31.97
Isobel Gatherer
Um, yeah.

32:38.95
katrinamcollier
Very different. It’s but it is people say don’t they they let you know in their words in that kind of a thing. Yeah, and it’s funny when you say the piece I was thinking a lot of people because I particularly the moment I’m writing my second business book and I spent a lot of time on my own but I’m so happy I’m just at peace and it’s like.

32:43.80
Isobel Gatherer
Yeah, yeah, ah.

32:54.66
Isobel Gatherer
Yeah.

32:57.84
katrinamcollier
And others could look at that. There’s also that weird thing where others kind of look at you at peace and feel a bit. It’s threatened by it. It’s kind of weird isn’t it because it’s like I’m fine. No not with this inner dialogue without in a dialogue. You couldn’t possibly be but.

33:02.14
Isobel Gatherer
Yeah, or she must be bored. Oh really, he must be bored. No I’m the happiest I’ve ever been.

33:15.83
Isobel Gatherer
Just copy me some flap for 5 minutes will you chaper japper japper je.

33:17.39
katrinamcollier
We we got a lot of people are a lot of stuff around us. You just can’t see but I always think that as well. Yeah.

33:24.64
Isobel Gatherer
Oh god it’s a fascinatingated journey though. Katrina isn’t it. It’s that I love it I love this journey I really do with one over time as usual.

33:34.40
katrinamcollier
Yeah, and what’s it like helping really quickly because you know as usual I run over what? what’s it like helping others as well. Is it quite amazing now that you you come at everything from that love and that spirituality it must be quite something watching others. Yeah.

33:45.37
Isobel Gatherer
I Love it I Love it I Love seeing people transform and yes it can take time we know it can take time and we also know we can slip back sometimes but when when we’ve got the tools. We know we can pull ourselves back out again. It’s lovely to see people come and.

33:51.63
katrinamcollier
And.

34:00.74
katrinamcollier
Um.

34:03.29
Isobel Gatherer
Not believing themselves have the way to the world on their shoulders maybe relationships falling apart, whatever and then over time grow to love who they are and start to honor who they are and start to put themselves first. But obviously it just doesn’t happen like that. You’ve got to release you’ve got to clear out the.

34:12.78
katrinamcollier
Yeah, yeah.

34:22.51
Isobel Gatherer
What we talked about before mocking that the the wound Um, but then you just see them grow and you see them even talking differently than the were before less of the self criticismtic less less of with self-hatred more of the love yet the the loving yourself takes a bit of work doesn’t it. But once you can.

34:22.53
katrinamcollier
Um, yeah, yeah, um.

34:32.14
katrinamcollier
Yeah, and.

34:40.79
katrinamcollier
Yeah I think that I I always say that inner child work was key and I know you and I did some inner child work which was just nice in one of the meditations when she handed me I talk about this in the memoir.

34:42.14
Isobel Gatherer
You just don’t go back. You know because if you know how it feels.

34:49.31
Isobel Gatherer
Yeah.

34:57.23
katrinamcollier
She just like handed me a key. She’s like sticking it in my heart and she’s trying to turn it to get me to unlock my heart. It was like yeah good luck. Love um, but we did get it over.

35:07.36
Isobel Gatherer
Didn’t you get given good oil. You get you got given some oil didn’t you or was that.

35:10.52
katrinamcollier
Yeah, yeah, it’s it was a condesizes ended up handing me my heart. That’s how we ended up opening it I don’t know if you remember that. But yeah was huge was I a lot we give up. You’re not going to do it yourself here. You go but but it was it was there that was that real. Yeah, that self- love moment is yeah so.

35:26.72
Isobel Gatherer
Um, yeah.

35:30.55
katrinamcollier
Um, for those who don’t think that we’re both bat shit crazy after they’ve listened to this but um, they just might um, totally broadcasted this one. Um, ah because I this is where I found that that selfmastery and that pays.

35:37.30
Isobel Gatherer
You might not broadcast this world.

35:50.31
katrinamcollier
And and my gifts. Oh my gosh my gifts it as you know, just extraordinary and I had no idea to me I’m just like like you said I’m just starting down at Earth and normal. So it’s like what do you mean? I can do all of this as well. So yeah, um, if they would like to torture you You have a session you know some of the amazing things you do on your website.

35:51.22
Isobel Gatherer
School my life I know.

35:59.94
Isobel Gatherer
The enough.

36:08.11
Isobel Gatherer
Where you can follow me on Instagram isabelle gatherer on Instagram and you can I’ve stepped my Youtube channel back up again I’m putting stuff on my Youtube channel.

36:09.98
katrinamcollier
What’s where’s the best place to drink. Yes, oh yes I’ve been watching those? yeah.

36:21.17
Isobel Gatherer
and again isabelle gatherer and I’m also the website wwwwww.isabellegatherup.com and and if you want to read and you can book the session in from there as well or you can drop me a message at isabellegatherer no isabelle at isabelgatherer.com that’s how you get in touch usually start off with a reading.

36:31.97
katrinamcollier
Um, you say? yeah.

36:37.41
katrinamcollier
You? Ah yeah I recommend a reading. Yeah you just yeah, you just gave Sophie power a reading and she’s like pun she was one of my first guests on the podcast as well. She keeps going oh my god she just knew all this stuff I’m going. Yeah.

36:41.70
Isobel Gatherer
So a spiritual guidance to read in. Yeah, that’s how we started.

36:56.38
katrinamcollier
Yeah, but I told you that So thank you for that I thank you so much and I think really um, really inspirational for anybody who’s had had that kind of trauma from school where we often don’t talk about how how much of an impact that is.

37:01.45
Isobel Gatherer
Ah, how my.

37:12.55
Isobel Gatherer
Yeah, yeah, you’re welcome. You’re welcome but we get through it. We come out the other side like you say the healing’s really important So it.

37:14.23
katrinamcollier
As well. We often talk about parental and less so or sibling and less so about that. So thank you for sharing that Story spa. Okay, thank you.

37:27.15
katrinamcollier
Yeah, must be run. Yeah, thank you so much.

37:29.50
Isobel Gatherer
It will it will help to transform you. But thank you Katrina.